I would like to know if the clustering under sqlserver 2000 works fine.
Could you give some pointers in order to install a cluster under sqlserver ?
Best regardsorion30,
Yes SQL Server has fault tolerance capabilities which can be implemented with
the help of its clustering feature. SQL Server has two types of cluster
configuration ie Active/Active and Active/Passive cluster.
A cluster is a safeguard for fault tolerance for the servers, the operating
system, and the software. You can safeguard the data with the help of shared
disk arrays.
MS has a clustering feature to its operating system in Windows NT 4.0 Enterprise
Edition / WIN2K advanced & datacenter servers, this clustering feature is called
MSCS ie Microsoft Clustering Server. SQL Server's enterprise edition ships with
Clustering feature(Virtual Server).
For more information on cluster visit this url
http://www.sql-server-performance.com/clustering_intro1.asp
Also you can post your queries to more relevent newgroup
microsoft.public.sqlserver.clustering
-- Vishal
"orion30" <orion30@.ifrance.com> wrote in message
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> I would like to know if the clustering under sqlserver 2000 works fine.
> Could you give some pointers in order to install a cluster under sqlserver ?
> Best regards
>
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Thursday, March 29, 2012
cluster sql server 2000
Hi,
I need manuals, tecnical papres, instalation guide, etc about
how to install one cluster sql server 2000 64 bits with
windows server 2003.
It`s posible a need one document step by step about this
Thanks,
RaulGZ."raulgz" <ragaza@.ozu.es> wrote in message
news:9b551742.0402270130.5c1c5655@.posting.google.c om...
> Hi,
> I need manuals, tecnical papres, instalation guide, etc about
> how to install one cluster sql server 2000 64 bits with
> windows server 2003.
> It`s posible a need one document step by step about this
>
> Thanks,
> RaulGZ.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tr...at/failclus.asp
Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Cluster Server Planning.
I would like some advise on my plan to install an active/active sql cluster.
The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: E
mirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: G
mirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P: G:
and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for the
databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound plan,
or have I just wasted my time?
That sounds pretty good. I would seriously look at RAID 10 rather than RAID
5. The difference in write performance can be huge.
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com
I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
> I would like some advise on my plan to install an active/active sql
cluster.
> The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
> drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
> Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
> drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
> keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
> have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: Emirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: G
> mirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P:
G:
> and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for
the
> databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
> the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound
plan,
> or have I just wasted my time?
|||I do not understand the Q and P drive assignment.
I have a Q (Quorum) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
ip-address an networkname)
I have a X (MSDTC) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
ip-address an networkname)
The Q and X drive do not come back in the SQL cluster resource group's
You do not mention a seperate cluster resource group for MSDTC. You should
do that.
Gr. G
(more info on MSDTC: http://sswug.org/blogging/gbrander/)
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
>I would like some advise on my plan to install an active/active sql
>cluster.
> The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
> drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
> Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
> drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
> keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
> have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: Emirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: G
> mirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P:
> G:
> and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for
> the
> databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
> the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound
> plan,
> or have I just wasted my time?
|||I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum. I'm
going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q, the
Physical Disk (F, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1 will
be owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P, the
Physical Disk (H, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be owned by
server2. Will this work ?
"Gé Brander" wrote:
> I do not understand the Q and P drive assignment.
> I have a Q (Quorum) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
> ip-address an networkname)
> I have a X (MSDTC) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
> ip-address an networkname)
> The Q and X drive do not come back in the SQL cluster resource group's
> You do not mention a seperate cluster resource group for MSDTC. You should
> do that.
> Gr. Gé
> (more info on MSDTC: http://sswug.org/blogging/gbrander/)
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||I too and lost by your wording I think, or maybe cause its Monday here. Are
you saying you will split a LUN into 2 or more partitions and then try to
use different partitions with different nodes? Clustering does not deal with
partitions, only drives. So a node or instance will not be able to share a
drive (and one or more partitions) with another node/instance.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
>I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum.
>I'm
> going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
> that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
> everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
> Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q,
> the
> Physical Disk (F, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1
> will
> be owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P, the
> Physical Disk (H, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be owned
> by
> server2. Will this work ?
> "G Brander" wrote:
|||Good catch Rodney.
Clustering looks at physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak). If you partition
the disk, clustering still sees the underlying physical disk.
Also, you don't want your Quorum disk to be part of your SQL Resource group.
That is a Low-Availability approach. Putting MSDCT in with a SQL instance
is an even worse approach. You need one disk for the Quorum, preferably one
disk for MSDTC (although it can be the same as the Quorum disk), and at
least one (preferably two or more) disks per SQL instance. These must be
physical disks or separate LUNs from a SAN device. Anything else will
compromise availability to the point that a cluster won't buy you any higher
availability.
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com
I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...
> I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum.
I'm
> going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
> that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
> everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
> Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q,
the
> Physical Disk (F, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1
will
> be owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P, the
> Physical Disk (H, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be owned
by[vbcol=seagreen]
> server2. Will this work ?
> "G Brander" wrote:
should[vbcol=seagreen]
13[vbcol=seagreen]
sets of[vbcol=seagreen]
logical[vbcol=seagreen]
will[vbcol=seagreen]
I'll[vbcol=seagreen]
G[vbcol=seagreen]
P:[vbcol=seagreen]
for[vbcol=seagreen]
spilt[vbcol=seagreen]
|||Rodney and Geoff, I admit my terminology was bad. I 'AM' going to have 2
physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak) per instance of SQL. One for databases
and one for transaction logs. I was trying to see if I could cheat and 'NOT'
use an entire disk for the quorum, but looks like that will not work (or not
work very well) in a multiple instance cluster. So it looks like I'll need
14, probably 15 disks on my shared storage to make this work.
So how about plan B:
Setup one physical disk (probably mirrored) for the quorum and the MSDTC.
Setup one physical disk (mirrored) for the transaction logs for each instance
of SQL. Setup one physical disk (Raid 5 or maybe 10) for the databases for
each instance of SQL. And if I can afford it a global hot spare. Better to
get it right in the planning stage than looking like an idiot trying to get a
bad design to work.
Thanks
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> Good catch Rodney.
> Clustering looks at physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak). If you partition
> the disk, clustering still sees the underlying physical disk.
> Also, you don't want your Quorum disk to be part of your SQL Resource group.
> That is a Low-Availability approach. Putting MSDCT in with a SQL instance
> is an even worse approach. You need one disk for the Quorum, preferably one
> disk for MSDTC (although it can be the same as the Quorum disk), and at
> least one (preferably two or more) disks per SQL instance. These must be
> physical disks or separate LUNs from a SAN device. Anything else will
> compromise availability to the point that a cluster won't buy you any higher
> availability.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> Senior Database Administrator
> Careerbuilder.com
> I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
> www.sqlpass.org
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...
> I'm
> the
> will
> by
> should
> 13
> sets of
> logical
> will
> I'll
> G
> P:
> for
> spilt
>
>
|||I like plan B, and not just cause I fully understand it. Question, are your
SQL applications going to use MSDTC? If so, for performance reasons you may
want to have a mirror just for the log and extend the default log size.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B6F25F5-FB78-4023-AE65-6F4335DA4940@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Rodney and Geoff, I admit my terminology was bad. I 'AM' going to have 2
> physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak) per instance of SQL. One for databases
> and one for transaction logs. I was trying to see if I could cheat and
> 'NOT'
> use an entire disk for the quorum, but looks like that will not work (or
> not
> work very well) in a multiple instance cluster. So it looks like I'll need
> 14, probably 15 disks on my shared storage to make this work.
> So how about plan B:
> Setup one physical disk (probably mirrored) for the quorum and the MSDTC.
> Setup one physical disk (mirrored) for the transaction logs for each
> instance
> of SQL. Setup one physical disk (Raid 5 or maybe 10) for the databases for
> each instance of SQL. And if I can afford it a global hot spare. Better
> to
> get it right in the planning stage than looking like an idiot trying to
> get a
> bad design to work.
> Thanks
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
|||Rodney, yes I plan on the SQL applications using the MSDTC. Where can I find
info on how to extend the default log size.
Thanks for the heads up.
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:
> I like plan B, and not just cause I fully understand it. Question, are your
> SQL applications going to use MSDTC? If so, for performance reasons you may
> want to have a mirror just for the log and extend the default log size.
> Cheers,
> Rod
> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
> http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4B6F25F5-FB78-4023-AE65-6F4335DA4940@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||First follow http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817064 on each machine BEFORE
you install the cluster service.
Then on each node - open component services - Computers - My Computer -
Properties - MSDTC tab - Capacity = 12 or 16 or anything larger then 4 MB,
close it out. Make both machines the same size log.
Install Microsoft clustering.
Finally follow
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;301600
Then Install SQL in the Cluster.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AD40F458-65B9-45DC-8CA0-5031975CD3DD@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Rodney, yes I plan on the SQL applications using the MSDTC. Where can I
> find
> info on how to extend the default log size.
> Thanks for the heads up.
> "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:
The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: E
mirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: Gmirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P: G:
and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for the
databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound plan,
or have I just wasted my time?
That sounds pretty good. I would seriously look at RAID 10 rather than RAID
5. The difference in write performance can be huge.
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com
I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
> I would like some advise on my plan to install an active/active sql
cluster.
> The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
> drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
> Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
> drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
> keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
> have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: E
mirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: G> mirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P:
G:
> and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for
the
> databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
> the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound
plan,
> or have I just wasted my time?
|||I do not understand the Q and P drive assignment.
I have a Q (Quorum) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
ip-address an networkname)
I have a X (MSDTC) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
ip-address an networkname)
The Q and X drive do not come back in the SQL cluster resource group's
You do not mention a seperate cluster resource group for MSDTC. You should
do that.
Gr. G
(more info on MSDTC: http://sswug.org/blogging/gbrander/)
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
>I would like some advise on my plan to install an active/active sql
>cluster.
> The plan is to build 2 boxes with W2k3 server and SQL2003. I'll have 13
> drives on a shared disk storage (two sets of mirrored drives) (two sets of
> Raid 5 [4 drives each]) (1 global hot spare). I'll create a 1 Gig logical
> drive (Q & P)on each of the mirrored sets (P will be a right-off but will
> keep everything looking the same). The Q drive is for the Quorum. So I'll
> have C: and D: on each machine, (Q: E
mirrored drives F: Raid5 (P: G> mirrored drives H: Raid5. SQL1 will own Q: E: and F:, SQL2 will own P:
> G:
> and H:. E: and G: will be for transaction logs while F: and H: are for
> the
> databases. I'll install instances of sql running on each server and spilt
> the databases between the two (we have around fifty). Is this a sound
> plan,
> or have I just wasted my time?
|||I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum. I'm
going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q
, thePhysical Disk (F
, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1 willbe owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P
, thePhysical Disk (H
, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be owned byserver2. Will this work ?
"Gé Brander" wrote:
> I do not understand the Q and P drive assignment.
> I have a Q (Quorum) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
> ip-address an networkname)
> I have a X (MSDTC) in a seperate cluster resource group (with seperate
> ip-address an networkname)
> The Q and X drive do not come back in the SQL cluster resource group's
> You do not mention a seperate cluster resource group for MSDTC. You should
> do that.
> Gr. Gé
> (more info on MSDTC: http://sswug.org/blogging/gbrander/)
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9AD5CF79-5664-466C-AB15-F48C4F99972C@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||I too and lost by your wording I think, or maybe cause its Monday here. Are
you saying you will split a LUN into 2 or more partitions and then try to
use different partitions with different nodes? Clustering does not deal with
partitions, only drives. So a node or instance will not be able to share a
drive (and one or more partitions) with another node/instance.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
>I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum.
>I'm
> going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
> that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
> everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
> Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q
,> the
> Physical Disk (F
, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1> will
> be owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P
, the> Physical Disk (H
, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be owned> by
> server2. Will this work ?
> "G Brander" wrote:
|||Good catch Rodney.
Clustering looks at physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak). If you partition
the disk, clustering still sees the underlying physical disk.
Also, you don't want your Quorum disk to be part of your SQL Resource group.
That is a Low-Availability approach. Putting MSDCT in with a SQL instance
is an even worse approach. You need one disk for the Quorum, preferably one
disk for MSDTC (although it can be the same as the Quorum disk), and at
least one (preferably two or more) disks per SQL instance. These must be
physical disks or separate LUNs from a SAN device. Anything else will
compromise availability to the point that a cluster won't buy you any higher
availability.
Geoff N. Hiten
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Senior Database Administrator
Careerbuilder.com
I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
www.sqlpass.org
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...
> I am not planning going to use and entire physical disk for the Quorum.
I'm
> going to make a partition on a mirrored set (that will be a physical disk)
> that will be the Q: drive. The P: drive is just my way of keeping
> everything looking the same. My plan is to have only 2 cluster groups.
> Group 1 be will the Cluster IP, Cluster Name, the Physical Disk (E: Q
,the
> Physical Disk (F
, the MSDTC, and the first instance of SQL. Group 1will
> be owned by server1. Group 2 be will the Physical Disk (G: P
, the> Physical Disk (H
, and the second instance of SQL. Group 2 will be ownedby[vbcol=seagreen]
> server2. Will this work ?
> "G Brander" wrote:
should[vbcol=seagreen]
13[vbcol=seagreen]
sets of[vbcol=seagreen]
logical[vbcol=seagreen]
will[vbcol=seagreen]
I'll[vbcol=seagreen]
G
[vbcol=seagreen]P:[vbcol=seagreen]
for[vbcol=seagreen]
spilt[vbcol=seagreen]
|||Rodney and Geoff, I admit my terminology was bad. I 'AM' going to have 2
physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak) per instance of SQL. One for databases
and one for transaction logs. I was trying to see if I could cheat and 'NOT'
use an entire disk for the quorum, but looks like that will not work (or not
work very well) in a multiple instance cluster. So it looks like I'll need
14, probably 15 disks on my shared storage to make this work.
So how about plan B:
Setup one physical disk (probably mirrored) for the quorum and the MSDTC.
Setup one physical disk (mirrored) for the transaction logs for each instance
of SQL. Setup one physical disk (Raid 5 or maybe 10) for the databases for
each instance of SQL. And if I can afford it a global hot spare. Better to
get it right in the planning stage than looking like an idiot trying to get a
bad design to work.
Thanks
"Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
> Good catch Rodney.
> Clustering looks at physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak). If you partition
> the disk, clustering still sees the underlying physical disk.
> Also, you don't want your Quorum disk to be part of your SQL Resource group.
> That is a Low-Availability approach. Putting MSDCT in with a SQL instance
> is an even worse approach. You need one disk for the Quorum, preferably one
> disk for MSDTC (although it can be the same as the Quorum disk), and at
> least one (preferably two or more) disks per SQL instance. These must be
> physical disks or separate LUNs from a SAN device. Anything else will
> compromise availability to the point that a cluster won't buy you any higher
> availability.
> --
> Geoff N. Hiten
> Microsoft SQL Server MVP
> Senior Database Administrator
> Careerbuilder.com
> I support the Professional Association for SQL Server
> www.sqlpass.org
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3AA6C951-0E13-4619-906F-BB0B0DB0C463@.microsoft.com...
> I'm
> the
> will
> by
> should
> 13
> sets of
> logical
> will
> I'll
> G
> P:
> for
> spilt
>
>
|||I like plan B, and not just cause I fully understand it. Question, are your
SQL applications going to use MSDTC? If so, for performance reasons you may
want to have a mirror just for the log and extend the default log size.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B6F25F5-FB78-4023-AE65-6F4335DA4940@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Rodney and Geoff, I admit my terminology was bad. I 'AM' going to have 2
> physical disks (LUNs in SAN-speak) per instance of SQL. One for databases
> and one for transaction logs. I was trying to see if I could cheat and
> 'NOT'
> use an entire disk for the quorum, but looks like that will not work (or
> not
> work very well) in a multiple instance cluster. So it looks like I'll need
> 14, probably 15 disks on my shared storage to make this work.
> So how about plan B:
> Setup one physical disk (probably mirrored) for the quorum and the MSDTC.
> Setup one physical disk (mirrored) for the transaction logs for each
> instance
> of SQL. Setup one physical disk (Raid 5 or maybe 10) for the databases for
> each instance of SQL. And if I can afford it a global hot spare. Better
> to
> get it right in the planning stage than looking like an idiot trying to
> get a
> bad design to work.
> Thanks
> "Geoff N. Hiten" wrote:
|||Rodney, yes I plan on the SQL applications using the MSDTC. Where can I find
info on how to extend the default log size.
Thanks for the heads up.
"Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:
> I like plan B, and not just cause I fully understand it. Question, are your
> SQL applications going to use MSDTC? If so, for performance reasons you may
> want to have a mirror just for the log and extend the default log size.
> Cheers,
> Rod
> MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
> http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
> http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
> "Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4B6F25F5-FB78-4023-AE65-6F4335DA4940@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||First follow http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817064 on each machine BEFORE
you install the cluster service.
Then on each node - open component services - Computers - My Computer -
Properties - MSDTC tab - Capacity = 12 or 16 or anything larger then 4 MB,
close it out. Make both machines the same size log.
Install Microsoft clustering.
Finally follow
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;301600
Then Install SQL in the Cluster.
Cheers,
Rod
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
"Wayne" <Wayne@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AD40F458-65B9-45DC-8CA0-5031975CD3DD@.microsoft.com...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Rodney, yes I plan on the SQL applications using the MSDTC. Where can I
> find
> info on how to extend the default log size.
> Thanks for the heads up.
> "Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]" wrote:
Cluster questions
First of all, excuse me if my English isn't too correct.
I need to install a portal infrastructure that was developed with ASP
and SQL Server. The system would like to be redundant and scalable.
To do that, I have in mind, the following diagram :
- 2 W2003 Servers with IIS6 and NLB ( frontend )
- 2 W2003 Servers with MS-SQL and MSCS with a SAN connected ( backend
).
I have read Microsoft and others documentation, and I have questions
that I would like to know.
I have worked with NLB and I understand how it works, but I'm new with
MSCS, and I must need to know to cluster SQL servers.
In SQL 2000, the cluster can be active/pasive or active/active.
If it is active/pasive, one of the two nodes, assumes all work, and
the second node is waiting that the first node goes down, when that
happens the second node assumes all work, this is the failover. Every
node has got one IP and the two nodes have a IP that they share (
Virtual Server), like NLB.
The ASP applications connect to the IP of Virtual Server. No problem.
The cluster is transparent to the ASP aplication.
But if I have active/active mode, the application must see two SQL
Server, not one like active/pasive mode, it's true ? The cluster isn't
transparent to the ASP aplication ?
The developement of the ASP application is different that the
active/pasive and active/active modes ?
With MSCS is possible to make the system scalable or only the failover
is possible ? If it's possible the scalability, is necessary to modify
the ASP developement or it's transparent ?
I read that MSCS is necesary that the servers must be joined in a
domain, it can't work in a Workgroup.
If I install AD in the 2 web servers, the performance will decrease,
there won't be users and permissions, it's only a web portal.
Is it possible to work in a Workgroup ?
And at the end, give me your opinion about :
- Install SQL 2000 SP4 or SQL 2005 ?
- Install MSCS or a third party software, like Computer associates ?
Thanks in advance,
Xavi.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what MSCS does and how it works with
SQL. That is not unexpected since the terminoloty is very confusing, even
to clustering veterans.
Here is an excellent starting point for understanding SQL Clustering.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../failclus.mspx
The document describes SQL 2000 clustering but it applies to SQL 2005 as
well.
As for your questions, Active-Active and Active-Passive are no longer valid
terms to describe SQL Clusters. You now have single- or multi- instance
clusters. It sounds like you are looking for a single instance cluster with
two nodes. Aclustered instance looks just like any other SQL instance from
the client. There is no difference from an application perspective whether
a SQL instnace is clustered or not. An application should handle brief
database connection disruptions gracefully in case there is a cluster
failover, but that is part of good application design anyway.
If I was starting from scratch, I would use SQL 2005.
MSCS does require a domain and will not work in a Workgroup. Anytime I
build a highly available application system, I prefer to build a monitoring
and management console as part of the system. That can be your primary AD
controller. I also use it to manage backups and system monitoring/alerting
tools.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1130854797.337258.155860@.g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> First of all, excuse me if my English isn't too correct.
> I need to install a portal infrastructure that was developed with ASP
> and SQL Server. The system would like to be redundant and scalable.
> To do that, I have in mind, the following diagram :
> - 2 W2003 Servers with IIS6 and NLB ( frontend )
> - 2 W2003 Servers with MS-SQL and MSCS with a SAN connected ( backend
> ).
> I have read Microsoft and others documentation, and I have questions
> that I would like to know.
> I have worked with NLB and I understand how it works, but I'm new with
> MSCS, and I must need to know to cluster SQL servers.
> In SQL 2000, the cluster can be active/pasive or active/active.
> If it is active/pasive, one of the two nodes, assumes all work, and
> the second node is waiting that the first node goes down, when that
> happens the second node assumes all work, this is the failover. Every
> node has got one IP and the two nodes have a IP that they share (
> Virtual Server), like NLB.
> The ASP applications connect to the IP of Virtual Server. No problem.
> The cluster is transparent to the ASP aplication.
> But if I have active/active mode, the application must see two SQL
> Server, not one like active/pasive mode, it's true ? The cluster isn't
> transparent to the ASP aplication ?
> The developement of the ASP application is different that the
> active/pasive and active/active modes ?
> With MSCS is possible to make the system scalable or only the failover
> is possible ? If it's possible the scalability, is necessary to modify
> the ASP developement or it's transparent ?
> I read that MSCS is necesary that the servers must be joined in a
> domain, it can't work in a Workgroup.
> If I install AD in the 2 web servers, the performance will decrease,
> there won't be users and permissions, it's only a web portal.
> Is it possible to work in a Workgroup ?
> And at the end, give me your opinion about :
> - Install SQL 2000 SP4 or SQL 2005 ?
> - Install MSCS or a third party software, like Computer associates ?
> Thanks in advance,
> Xavi.
>
|||As you can see, I'm not a cluster veteran :-)
Thanks for the info, and the link documentation is very good.
I understand the single-instance failover cluster, but I don't
understand too much multi-instance cluster.
Is there no difference from the application prespective in a
multi-instance cluster ?
It is possible to do in the scenario descrived ?
Is there any example of a multi-instance cluster ?
Thanks,
Xavi.
|||Each extra instance looks like another SQL Server as far as the clients are
concerned. Each clustered instance has independent disk resources, IP
address(es), and unique network name. You connect to a Virtual SQL Server,
not to the underlying host node.
You need to differentiate between Nodes (host computers) and instances
(Virtual SQL Servers) in a cluster. They exist independently.in a cluster.
You can have up to 16 instances and eight nodes in a cluster (SQL 2005).
You get four nodes under SQL 2000. If you need multiple clustered SQL
Servers, you can create multiple instances on a cluster and save some money.
If you need only one SQL Server, then you create a single-instance cluster.
SQL Clustering is a failover technology, not a scale-up technology. You
cannot have two host nodes connected to the same database for scale out.
That is why the Active-Active terminology is misleading.
Your general idea looks good.
GNH
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1130878710.578655.77290@.f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> As you can see, I'm not a cluster veteran :-)
> Thanks for the info, and the link documentation is very good.
> I understand the single-instance failover cluster, but I don't
> understand too much multi-instance cluster.
> Is there no difference from the application prespective in a
> multi-instance cluster ?
> It is possible to do in the scenario descrived ?
> Is there any example of a multi-instance cluster ?
> Thanks,
> Xavi.
>
|||You can run SQL Server in NLB, which is known as a Federation of Servers.
Server clusters are for redundancy and high availability, not scalability.
If you are looking for scalability, which does provide some high
availability, you should look at server federations and distributed
partitioned views. This is most often used for partitioned VLB
installations, mostly warehouse, read-only type systems, rarely OLTP
systems.
Sincerely,
Anthony Thomas
"Geoff N. Hiten" <SRDBA@.Careerbuilder.com> wrote in message
news:OuR$Tw13FHA.3600@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Each extra instance looks like another SQL Server as far as the clients
are
> concerned. Each clustered instance has independent disk resources, IP
> address(es), and unique network name. You connect to a Virtual SQL
Server,
> not to the underlying host node.
> You need to differentiate between Nodes (host computers) and instances
> (Virtual SQL Servers) in a cluster. They exist independently.in a
cluster.
> You can have up to 16 instances and eight nodes in a cluster (SQL 2005).
> You get four nodes under SQL 2000. If you need multiple clustered SQL
> Servers, you can create multiple instances on a cluster and save some
money.
> If you need only one SQL Server, then you create a single-instance
cluster.
> SQL Clustering is a failover technology, not a scale-up technology. You
> cannot have two host nodes connected to the same database for scale out.
> That is why the Active-Active terminology is misleading.
> Your general idea looks good.
> GNH
> "xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
> news:1130878710.578655.77290@.f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
|||I see that, in the main schema, the SQL servers that use MSCS must be
joined in a domain.
The Geoff N. Hiten suggestion about using an other server as a DC seems
a good idea, but what does it happens if this DC server fails? Does the
SQL cluster continue alive ?
What are the consecuences of a DC failure ?
I would not like using 2 aditional servers for 2 DCs just for DC
redundance.
Thanks,
Xavi.
|||Hi
You loose your DC, your cluster goes down.
If you need the resilience of a cluster, and can afford all that expensive
hardware, having small servers as 2 DC's is not much to ask for.
Regards
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland
IM: mike@.epprecht.net
MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1133345191.463210.32350@.g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I see that, in the main schema, the SQL servers that use MSCS must be
> joined in a domain.
> The Geoff N. Hiten suggestion about using an other server as a DC seems
> a good idea, but what does it happens if this DC server fails? Does the
> SQL cluster continue alive ?
> What are the consecuences of a DC failure ?
> I would not like using 2 aditional servers for 2 DCs just for DC
> redundance.
> Thanks,
> Xavi.
>
I need to install a portal infrastructure that was developed with ASP
and SQL Server. The system would like to be redundant and scalable.
To do that, I have in mind, the following diagram :
- 2 W2003 Servers with IIS6 and NLB ( frontend )
- 2 W2003 Servers with MS-SQL and MSCS with a SAN connected ( backend
).
I have read Microsoft and others documentation, and I have questions
that I would like to know.
I have worked with NLB and I understand how it works, but I'm new with
MSCS, and I must need to know to cluster SQL servers.
In SQL 2000, the cluster can be active/pasive or active/active.
If it is active/pasive, one of the two nodes, assumes all work, and
the second node is waiting that the first node goes down, when that
happens the second node assumes all work, this is the failover. Every
node has got one IP and the two nodes have a IP that they share (
Virtual Server), like NLB.
The ASP applications connect to the IP of Virtual Server. No problem.
The cluster is transparent to the ASP aplication.
But if I have active/active mode, the application must see two SQL
Server, not one like active/pasive mode, it's true ? The cluster isn't
transparent to the ASP aplication ?
The developement of the ASP application is different that the
active/pasive and active/active modes ?
With MSCS is possible to make the system scalable or only the failover
is possible ? If it's possible the scalability, is necessary to modify
the ASP developement or it's transparent ?
I read that MSCS is necesary that the servers must be joined in a
domain, it can't work in a Workgroup.
If I install AD in the 2 web servers, the performance will decrease,
there won't be users and permissions, it's only a web portal.
Is it possible to work in a Workgroup ?
And at the end, give me your opinion about :
- Install SQL 2000 SP4 or SQL 2005 ?
- Install MSCS or a third party software, like Computer associates ?
Thanks in advance,
Xavi.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what MSCS does and how it works with
SQL. That is not unexpected since the terminoloty is very confusing, even
to clustering veterans.
Here is an excellent starting point for understanding SQL Clustering.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../failclus.mspx
The document describes SQL 2000 clustering but it applies to SQL 2005 as
well.
As for your questions, Active-Active and Active-Passive are no longer valid
terms to describe SQL Clusters. You now have single- or multi- instance
clusters. It sounds like you are looking for a single instance cluster with
two nodes. Aclustered instance looks just like any other SQL instance from
the client. There is no difference from an application perspective whether
a SQL instnace is clustered or not. An application should handle brief
database connection disruptions gracefully in case there is a cluster
failover, but that is part of good application design anyway.
If I was starting from scratch, I would use SQL 2005.
MSCS does require a domain and will not work in a Workgroup. Anytime I
build a highly available application system, I prefer to build a monitoring
and management console as part of the system. That can be your primary AD
controller. I also use it to manage backups and system monitoring/alerting
tools.
Geoff N. Hiten
Senior Database Administrator
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1130854797.337258.155860@.g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> First of all, excuse me if my English isn't too correct.
> I need to install a portal infrastructure that was developed with ASP
> and SQL Server. The system would like to be redundant and scalable.
> To do that, I have in mind, the following diagram :
> - 2 W2003 Servers with IIS6 and NLB ( frontend )
> - 2 W2003 Servers with MS-SQL and MSCS with a SAN connected ( backend
> ).
> I have read Microsoft and others documentation, and I have questions
> that I would like to know.
> I have worked with NLB and I understand how it works, but I'm new with
> MSCS, and I must need to know to cluster SQL servers.
> In SQL 2000, the cluster can be active/pasive or active/active.
> If it is active/pasive, one of the two nodes, assumes all work, and
> the second node is waiting that the first node goes down, when that
> happens the second node assumes all work, this is the failover. Every
> node has got one IP and the two nodes have a IP that they share (
> Virtual Server), like NLB.
> The ASP applications connect to the IP of Virtual Server. No problem.
> The cluster is transparent to the ASP aplication.
> But if I have active/active mode, the application must see two SQL
> Server, not one like active/pasive mode, it's true ? The cluster isn't
> transparent to the ASP aplication ?
> The developement of the ASP application is different that the
> active/pasive and active/active modes ?
> With MSCS is possible to make the system scalable or only the failover
> is possible ? If it's possible the scalability, is necessary to modify
> the ASP developement or it's transparent ?
> I read that MSCS is necesary that the servers must be joined in a
> domain, it can't work in a Workgroup.
> If I install AD in the 2 web servers, the performance will decrease,
> there won't be users and permissions, it's only a web portal.
> Is it possible to work in a Workgroup ?
> And at the end, give me your opinion about :
> - Install SQL 2000 SP4 or SQL 2005 ?
> - Install MSCS or a third party software, like Computer associates ?
> Thanks in advance,
> Xavi.
>
|||As you can see, I'm not a cluster veteran :-)
Thanks for the info, and the link documentation is very good.
I understand the single-instance failover cluster, but I don't
understand too much multi-instance cluster.
Is there no difference from the application prespective in a
multi-instance cluster ?
It is possible to do in the scenario descrived ?
Is there any example of a multi-instance cluster ?
Thanks,
Xavi.
|||Each extra instance looks like another SQL Server as far as the clients are
concerned. Each clustered instance has independent disk resources, IP
address(es), and unique network name. You connect to a Virtual SQL Server,
not to the underlying host node.
You need to differentiate between Nodes (host computers) and instances
(Virtual SQL Servers) in a cluster. They exist independently.in a cluster.
You can have up to 16 instances and eight nodes in a cluster (SQL 2005).
You get four nodes under SQL 2000. If you need multiple clustered SQL
Servers, you can create multiple instances on a cluster and save some money.
If you need only one SQL Server, then you create a single-instance cluster.
SQL Clustering is a failover technology, not a scale-up technology. You
cannot have two host nodes connected to the same database for scale out.
That is why the Active-Active terminology is misleading.
Your general idea looks good.
GNH
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1130878710.578655.77290@.f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> As you can see, I'm not a cluster veteran :-)
> Thanks for the info, and the link documentation is very good.
> I understand the single-instance failover cluster, but I don't
> understand too much multi-instance cluster.
> Is there no difference from the application prespective in a
> multi-instance cluster ?
> It is possible to do in the scenario descrived ?
> Is there any example of a multi-instance cluster ?
> Thanks,
> Xavi.
>
|||You can run SQL Server in NLB, which is known as a Federation of Servers.
Server clusters are for redundancy and high availability, not scalability.
If you are looking for scalability, which does provide some high
availability, you should look at server federations and distributed
partitioned views. This is most often used for partitioned VLB
installations, mostly warehouse, read-only type systems, rarely OLTP
systems.
Sincerely,
Anthony Thomas
"Geoff N. Hiten" <SRDBA@.Careerbuilder.com> wrote in message
news:OuR$Tw13FHA.3600@.TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Each extra instance looks like another SQL Server as far as the clients
are
> concerned. Each clustered instance has independent disk resources, IP
> address(es), and unique network name. You connect to a Virtual SQL
Server,
> not to the underlying host node.
> You need to differentiate between Nodes (host computers) and instances
> (Virtual SQL Servers) in a cluster. They exist independently.in a
cluster.
> You can have up to 16 instances and eight nodes in a cluster (SQL 2005).
> You get four nodes under SQL 2000. If you need multiple clustered SQL
> Servers, you can create multiple instances on a cluster and save some
money.
> If you need only one SQL Server, then you create a single-instance
cluster.
> SQL Clustering is a failover technology, not a scale-up technology. You
> cannot have two host nodes connected to the same database for scale out.
> That is why the Active-Active terminology is misleading.
> Your general idea looks good.
> GNH
> "xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
> news:1130878710.578655.77290@.f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
|||I see that, in the main schema, the SQL servers that use MSCS must be
joined in a domain.
The Geoff N. Hiten suggestion about using an other server as a DC seems
a good idea, but what does it happens if this DC server fails? Does the
SQL cluster continue alive ?
What are the consecuences of a DC failure ?
I would not like using 2 aditional servers for 2 DCs just for DC
redundance.
Thanks,
Xavi.
|||Hi
You loose your DC, your cluster goes down.
If you need the resilience of a cluster, and can afford all that expensive
hardware, having small servers as 2 DC's is not much to ask for.
Regards
Mike Epprecht, Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Zurich, Switzerland
IM: mike@.epprecht.net
MVP Program: http://www.microsoft.com/mvp
Blog: http://www.msmvps.com/epprecht/
"xavi" <xavi@.comb.es> wrote in message
news:1133345191.463210.32350@.g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>I see that, in the main schema, the SQL servers that use MSCS must be
> joined in a domain.
> The Geoff N. Hiten suggestion about using an other server as a DC seems
> a good idea, but what does it happens if this DC server fails? Does the
> SQL cluster continue alive ?
> What are the consecuences of a DC failure ?
> I would not like using 2 aditional servers for 2 DCs just for DC
> redundance.
> Thanks,
> Xavi.
>
Sunday, March 25, 2012
Cluster or Mirror
Hi,
I'm currently looking in the possiblities for a SQL server install. The web
project needs a SQL database with a high availability. Speed and size are not
that important as the load will be medium (especially for the new enterprise
class servers), but it cannot eb offline for more then minutes. Assuming
there is suffient budget what option would be preferred:
HP DL380 cluster with SAN : diskset in SAN RAID 1+0 with SQL enterprise and
SQL virtual server setup
OR
2x Fully redundent HP DL380's with own diskset (RAID 1+0), one active SQL
Std, and one passive. Replication using DoubleTake or Neverfail alikes.
The fail-switch should also be automatic and should react within max 5
minutes.
Any idea's pro + cons?
Thanks
Have you looked at Log Shipping as an alternative?
Regards
Darryl Pollock
Squirrel Consulting
www.remotesquirrel.com - Performance Monitoring - Anytime ! Anywhere!
"christophe" <christophe@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:250E4D88-6464-4E88-80AA-E0D8262B4CD1@.microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> I'm currently looking in the possiblities for a SQL server install. The
> web
> project needs a SQL database with a high availability. Speed and size are
> not
> that important as the load will be medium (especially for the new
> enterprise
> class servers), but it cannot eb offline for more then minutes. Assuming
> there is suffient budget what option would be preferred:
> HP DL380 cluster with SAN : diskset in SAN RAID 1+0 with SQL enterprise
> and
> SQL virtual server setup
> OR
> 2x Fully redundent HP DL380's with own diskset (RAID 1+0), one active SQL
> Std, and one passive. Replication using DoubleTake or Neverfail alikes.
> The fail-switch should also be automatic and should react within max 5
> minutes.
> Any idea's pro + cons?
> Thanks
|||yes, but the data can only be out of sync for max a few minutes and from what
I read replication is faster for something like that. I also need an
automated switch to the standby server in case of a failure of the primary
server. The application only knows 1 SQL server connection.
"Darryl Pollock" wrote:
> Have you looked at Log Shipping as an alternative?
> Regards
> Darryl Pollock
> Squirrel Consulting
> www.remotesquirrel.com - Performance Monitoring - Anytime ! Anywhere!
>
> "christophe" <christophe@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:250E4D88-6464-4E88-80AA-E0D8262B4CD1@.microsoft.com...
>
>
|||Hi
Just remember, Cluster or disk/volume replication level does not protect you
against database/disk corruption. The corruption is faithfully propogated to
the other drives in the case of replication and is on the single copy on the
SAN.
For SQL 2000, Microsoft Windows Clustering is the way for the least downtime
and no human intervention is required. Clusters typically fail over in <20
seconds, depending on how many transactions need to rolled forward/back.
Regards
Mike
"christophe" wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> yes, but the data can only be out of sync for max a few minutes and from what
> I read replication is faster for something like that. I also need an
> automated switch to the standby server in case of a failure of the primary
> server. The application only knows 1 SQL server connection.
> "Darryl Pollock" wrote:
|||I would argue that the time required to failover is a function of how long
it takes for the transaction log to be applied from the failed node to the
failed over node.
For most production systems with VLDBs you should be dumping the log very
frequently, ie under 5 minutes.
While 20 s is an often quoted statistic, I think 1 - 2 minutes might be more
realistic.
Hilary Cotter
Looking for a SQL Server replication book?
http://www.nwsu.com/0974973602.html
"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike@.epprecht.net> wrote in message
news:0B6AD0FE-AFC4-46F3-AAAD-031C1F179600@.microsoft.com...
> Hi
> Just remember, Cluster or disk/volume replication level does not protect
you
> against database/disk corruption. The corruption is faithfully propogated
to
> the other drives in the case of replication and is on the single copy on
the
> SAN.
> For SQL 2000, Microsoft Windows Clustering is the way for the least
downtime[vbcol=seagreen]
> and no human intervention is required. Clusters typically fail over in <20
> seconds, depending on how many transactions need to rolled forward/back.
> Regards
> Mike
> "christophe" wrote:
what[vbcol=seagreen]
primary[vbcol=seagreen]
The[vbcol=seagreen]
size are[vbcol=seagreen]
Assuming[vbcol=seagreen]
enterprise[vbcol=seagreen]
active SQL[vbcol=seagreen]
alikes.[vbcol=seagreen]
5[vbcol=seagreen]
I'm currently looking in the possiblities for a SQL server install. The web
project needs a SQL database with a high availability. Speed and size are not
that important as the load will be medium (especially for the new enterprise
class servers), but it cannot eb offline for more then minutes. Assuming
there is suffient budget what option would be preferred:
HP DL380 cluster with SAN : diskset in SAN RAID 1+0 with SQL enterprise and
SQL virtual server setup
OR
2x Fully redundent HP DL380's with own diskset (RAID 1+0), one active SQL
Std, and one passive. Replication using DoubleTake or Neverfail alikes.
The fail-switch should also be automatic and should react within max 5
minutes.
Any idea's pro + cons?
Thanks
Have you looked at Log Shipping as an alternative?
Regards
Darryl Pollock
Squirrel Consulting
www.remotesquirrel.com - Performance Monitoring - Anytime ! Anywhere!
"christophe" <christophe@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I'm currently looking in the possiblities for a SQL server install. The
> web
> project needs a SQL database with a high availability. Speed and size are
> not
> that important as the load will be medium (especially for the new
> enterprise
> class servers), but it cannot eb offline for more then minutes. Assuming
> there is suffient budget what option would be preferred:
> HP DL380 cluster with SAN : diskset in SAN RAID 1+0 with SQL enterprise
> and
> SQL virtual server setup
> OR
> 2x Fully redundent HP DL380's with own diskset (RAID 1+0), one active SQL
> Std, and one passive. Replication using DoubleTake or Neverfail alikes.
> The fail-switch should also be automatic and should react within max 5
> minutes.
> Any idea's pro + cons?
> Thanks
|||yes, but the data can only be out of sync for max a few minutes and from what
I read replication is faster for something like that. I also need an
automated switch to the standby server in case of a failure of the primary
server. The application only knows 1 SQL server connection.
"Darryl Pollock" wrote:
> Have you looked at Log Shipping as an alternative?
> Regards
> Darryl Pollock
> Squirrel Consulting
> www.remotesquirrel.com - Performance Monitoring - Anytime ! Anywhere!
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> "christophe" <christophe@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
|||Hi
Just remember, Cluster or disk/volume replication level does not protect you
against database/disk corruption. The corruption is faithfully propogated to
the other drives in the case of replication and is on the single copy on the
SAN.
For SQL 2000, Microsoft Windows Clustering is the way for the least downtime
and no human intervention is required. Clusters typically fail over in <20
seconds, depending on how many transactions need to rolled forward/back.
Regards
Mike
"christophe" wrote:
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> yes, but the data can only be out of sync for max a few minutes and from what
> I read replication is faster for something like that. I also need an
> automated switch to the standby server in case of a failure of the primary
> server. The application only knows 1 SQL server connection.
> "Darryl Pollock" wrote:
|||I would argue that the time required to failover is a function of how long
it takes for the transaction log to be applied from the failed node to the
failed over node.
For most production systems with VLDBs you should be dumping the log very
frequently, ie under 5 minutes.
While 20 s is an often quoted statistic, I think 1 - 2 minutes might be more
realistic.
Hilary Cotter
Looking for a SQL Server replication book?
http://www.nwsu.com/0974973602.html
"Mike Epprecht (SQL MVP)" <mike@.epprecht.net> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Just remember, Cluster or disk/volume replication level does not protect
you
> against database/disk corruption. The corruption is faithfully propogated
to
> the other drives in the case of replication and is on the single copy on
the
> SAN.
> For SQL 2000, Microsoft Windows Clustering is the way for the least
downtime[vbcol=seagreen]
> and no human intervention is required. Clusters typically fail over in <20
> seconds, depending on how many transactions need to rolled forward/back.
> Regards
> Mike
> "christophe" wrote:
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cluster installing also have some errors
When i tried to install a virtue sql server on just one node(the other was
evicted and shutdown), i also encountered the same errors just as before.
So i'm confused.
I have read a lot of docs about sql cluster, and most of them told me that
it's simple to install sql cluster after the mscs and msdtc r installed.
hp proliant dl580+ raid array 4100 / 2 xeon cpus(so the hypethreading may
appear 4 cups and i have tried 2-cpu licence and 4-cpu licence, both fails)
win2k ad
Thanks
"Rand Boyd [MSFT]" <rboyd@.onlinemicrosoft.com> д?
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> There should be other sqlstp.logs on the systems. Possibly SQLstp0.log.
> Each node should have one. If you can post these we can get a better idea
> of what went wrong.
> Rand
> This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
>
"Sanjoy Wong" <sanjoy@.sinolines.com> д?
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> When i tried to install a virtue sql server on just one node(the other was
> evicted and shutdown), i also encountered the same errors just as before.
> So i'm confused.
> I have read a lot of docs about sql cluster, and most of them told me that
> it's simple to install sql cluster after the mscs and msdtc r installed.
> hp proliant dl580+ raid array 4100 / 2 xeon cpus(so the hypethreading may
> appear 4 cups and i have tried 2-cpu licence and 4-cpu licence, both
fails)[vbcol=seagreen]
> win2k ad
>
> Thanks
> "Rand Boyd [MSFT]" <rboyd@.onlinemicrosoft.com> д?
> news:6kS2Lo%23REHA.2260@.cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl...
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evicted and shutdown), i also encountered the same errors just as before.
So i'm confused.
I have read a lot of docs about sql cluster, and most of them told me that
it's simple to install sql cluster after the mscs and msdtc r installed.
hp proliant dl580+ raid array 4100 / 2 xeon cpus(so the hypethreading may
appear 4 cups and i have tried 2-cpu licence and 4-cpu licence, both fails)
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> There should be other sqlstp.logs on the systems. Possibly SQLstp0.log.
> Each node should have one. If you can post these we can get a better idea
> of what went wrong.
> Rand
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> When i tried to install a virtue sql server on just one node(the other was
> evicted and shutdown), i also encountered the same errors just as before.
> So i'm confused.
> I have read a lot of docs about sql cluster, and most of them told me that
> it's simple to install sql cluster after the mscs and msdtc r installed.
> hp proliant dl580+ raid array 4100 / 2 xeon cpus(so the hypethreading may
> appear 4 cups and i have tried 2-cpu licence and 4-cpu licence, both
fails)[vbcol=seagreen]
> win2k ad
>
> Thanks
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> news:6kS2Lo%23REHA.2260@.cpmsftngxa10.phx.gbl...
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cluster installing
I have installed mscs correctly according the checklist.
But i cannot install sql en server on the cluster.
The attached is the log.
win2k ad sp4/sql en
Thanks
Sanjoy
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Can't read some of the log, strangeness. Have you already installed MSDTC in
the cluster? http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;290624
Any messages that SQL Install gives you would also me nice.
Cheers,
Rod
"Sanjoy Wong" <sanjoy@.sinolines.com> wrote in message
news:OFnTjn7REHA.1036@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I have installed mscs correctly according the checklist.
> But i cannot install sql en server on the cluster.
> The attached is the log.
>
> win2k ad sp4/sql en
> Thanks
> Sanjoy
>
>
|||There should be other sqlstp.logs on the systems. Possibly SQLstp0.log.
Each node should have one. If you can post these we can get a better idea
of what went wrong.
Rand
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
But i cannot install sql en server on the cluster.
The attached is the log.
win2k ad sp4/sql en
Thanks
Sanjoy
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Can't read some of the log, strangeness. Have you already installed MSDTC in
the cluster? http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;290624
Any messages that SQL Install gives you would also me nice.
Cheers,
Rod
"Sanjoy Wong" <sanjoy@.sinolines.com> wrote in message
news:OFnTjn7REHA.1036@.TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I have installed mscs correctly according the checklist.
> But i cannot install sql en server on the cluster.
> The attached is the log.
>
> win2k ad sp4/sql en
> Thanks
> Sanjoy
>
>
|||There should be other sqlstp.logs on the systems. Possibly SQLstp0.log.
Each node should have one. If you can post these we can get a better idea
of what went wrong.
Rand
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